[QuadList] Gene Kelley Show color recording system--which wasused?

[WVGO]

Hi Don....
That's right....I had forgotten about that non-phased color switch way 
down there on the Colortec....out of sight, out of mind, I guess.  That 
switch is "top of mind" awareness on a 70 though...right at eye level!
I had quite a bit of TRT experience way back when, but only with 
monochrome 1B's.  I had assumed that the TRT color system involved 
something other than recording direct color as we know it, but I really 
just don't know for sure, having never seen one in the flesh. 
Maybe some of the former RCA guys can shed some light here?
Guy


Don Norwood wrote:
> Hello Guy:
>
> The Ampex Colortec for the VR-1000/1100/1200/2000 has a non-phased 
> mode. I've never used it, so I don't know how it would work with the 
> RCA tapes. Of course the Colortec is not applicable to the AVR-1.  I 
> also seem to recall that some of the early RCA color tapes were 
> recorded with different carrier frequencies and deviation from what 
> was later set as the LBC standard, so that could also require 
> modifications to a standard demod.
>
> But now that I think about it, didn't the production version color 
> TRT-1 record a full-bandwidth signal and use the heterodyne system 
> only for playback?  In that case, an original recording should play 
> back just fine, but a dub using that system would be non-phased.  Or, 
> I could be totally off-base.  It's been a while since I thought about 
> TRT-1s!
>
> Don
>
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> Subject: Re: [QuadList] Gene Kelley Show color recording system--which 
> wasused?
>
>
> Perhaps the tape was an early RCA heterodyne/non-phased color
> recording.  I  think this was the color system used by the TRT-1 series
> color recorders.
> I've never actually one of these recordings to play, even back in the
> day, but most of the earlier color RCA quad machines had that
> "non-phased color" mode as a playback option.  I don't remember that
> Ampex ever addressed this for playback, so perhaps that's why the custom
> modules had to be made for the AVR-1.
> Guy
> www.GuySpiller.com
>
>
>
>
> Ted Langdell wrote:
>> Hi, David...
>>
>>> On Dec 27, 2008, at 2:10 PM, dcfwtx at aol.com <mailto:dcfwtx at aol.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I transferred "The Gene Kelly Show" several years ago for a now 
>>>> deceased client to Digtial Betacam. RCA non-standard 2" low band 
>>>> color recording on our modified AVR-1 using proprietary modules. 
>>>> One hour show. Burbank recording.
>>>>
>>>> David Crosthwait
>>>> DC Video
>>>> www.dcvideo.com <http://www.dcvideo.com>
>>
>>
>> In 1988, KTLA Engineer Don Kent and Engineer/Historian Ed Reitan were 
>> involved in the transfer of the 1958 Astaire special and other early 
>> Quad color tapes.
>>
>> Don did the playback off an AVR-1 that he got KTLA  to donate to 
>> UCLA's film and television archive.
>> Ed modified ten boards that replaced stock ones on this AVR-1, the 
>> last working Quad at KTLA.  It is now part of the CBS Television City 
>> Quad array, where CBS maintains its health.
>>
>> Ed e-mailed me when we first put Quadvideotapegroup.com live:
>> "As clarification, I use the terminology "RCA Labs Color" for the 
>> format of the original Eisenhower, Astaire, and other NBC color tapes 
>> used on the modified Ampex machines at Burbank from early 1958 
>> through at least April 1959.
>>
>> I suggest the term "RCA Broadcast Color" for the format of the tapes 
>> produced by the RCA TRT-1AC, the first color recorder produced by RCA 
>> Broadcast of Camden, N.J., and also used by NBC at Burbank starting 
>> in April, 1958.
>> These are distinguished from tapes made to the later “Low Band Color“ 
>> standard later promulgated by SMPTE."
>>
>> *David: * Do you remember which system and machine(s) were used on 
>> the Kelly special?
>>
>> Can you tell us more about the tape itself?  Was it a first 
>> generation tape?  Any splices? etc.  Very hard to recover?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ted
>>
>>
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