[QuadList] ACR-25/TCR-100 side by side (Was Ampex Models)

Wed Mar 2 02:18:49 CST 2011

Hi, David and Gary

Seems like since I started writing this several hours ago, there are  
others who have popped up with interest.

David, your point about an appropriate "hook" is well taken. Given  
2016 as a target, would that give enough time to work on the whichever  
of the ACR-25's is a likely candidate?

I'm interested in working on the space with NAB, and getting sponsors  
for the shipping, Pizza and Beer.  Good German Beer? Sponsored by MWA  
Nova, GmbH? Maybe some other things helpful to the cause.

Since the ACR and TCR are spot players... we could run... spots for  
the sponsors.  Maybe shot/cut on Quad?

Scott:  We'll take your money : )

Would anyone care to make it a monthly contribution to the "Quads At  
NAB 2016 Fund," ala NCE stations?  I can set up a PayPal account and  
an oversight process for those who want to contribute to the deferral  
of expenses.

Tim:  How about a VR-1200 or 2000?  An AVR-2 or 3 if still on the  
property.

Guy: Are you game for some RCA representation?

Air compressor suggestions (unless the Convention Center has air piped  
around. They have natural gas in the floor of some CC's so I wouldn't  
be surprised to find compressed air.

Given the lead-time, I think it's doable... and with security for  
equipment while there, and on the way out of the building.

Ted

On Mar 1, 2011, at 2:03 PM, Gary Adams wrote:

> I would agree, of course.  Maybe this is something we should not  
> lose sight of in the near future though.  I would be a bit worried  
> about the money and time, but certainly when I am retired there  
> would be more of that time thing and less of that money thing.
>
> From: quadlist-bounces at quadvideotapegroup.com [mailto:quadlist-bounces at quadvideotapegroup.com 
> ] On Behalf Of David Crosthwait
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 4:45 PM
> To: Quad List
> Subject: Re: [QuadList] ACR-25/TCR-100 side by side (Was Ampex Models)
>
> Ted,
>
> Honestly, I don't think they would want to do it and I don't think  
> we should unless there is some anniversary to commemorate. Maybe  
> 2016, 60 years of videotape? This effort would take almost as much  
> cost and luck as the TRT 1 would, when you consider two machines,  
> the transportation, the power, the security on site, and all of us  
> taking about 30 days off of work and away from our families. And  
> that's just the weeks surrounding NAB.
>
> A lot of pizza and a lot of beer (for those who like beer).
>
> So, I am for it and the demonstration. But, it will take massive  
> planning for an NAB in my opinion. And, let's not forget that the  
> TCR is in Boston, and not in our control.
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2011, at 1:14 PM, Ted Langdell wrote:
>
>
> Hi, David and Gary
>
> Would you be willing to do something if I could talk NAB into  
> providing space?
>
> Likely not this year, since NAB's less than a month and a half  
> away... but next year?
>
> Ted
>
> On Mar 1, 2011, at 12:49 PM, David Crosthwait wrote:
>
>
> Well,
>
> Paul Beck has a complete TCR and I have two ACRs in storage (way in  
> the back). It could happen...but don't hold your breath! I also have  
> a top ACR maintenance engineer on standby in Arizona to bribe for  
> help.
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> On Mar 1, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Gary Adams wrote:
>
>
> It was a financial compromise.  We probably saved $100K or more on  
> the purchase which is significant for small market facilities.  When  
> we came up with the multiple 10 second thing, we would simply edit  
> the two together using the built in (optional) editor.  Was  
> automatic and fast.  Not elegant but got us by.
>
> I was always able to convince the technical staff it would be easier  
> to repair the TCR since a “tractor mechanic” could probably figure  
> most of the mechanics out.  And I didn’t mean that in a negative  
> way.  The mechanics were simple and the 7 steps to thread and  
> unthread were all visible during the process.  As much as I would  
> have wanted the ACR, I was able to make the TCR very reliable.  We  
> should set the ACR and TCR up together for a demonstration.  It  
> would not be a cheap investment.  It would be nice to see once again  
> before some of us (included) are gone.
>
> Gary
>
> From: quadlist-bounces at quadvideotapegroup.com [mailto:quadlist-bounces at quadvideotapegroup.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Trevor Brown
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 2:34 PM
> To: 'Quad List'
> Subject: Re: [QuadList] Ampex Models
>
> I too remember the TC100 rules short carts only first or last in the  
> break
> We also had special half park switches on our TCR100’s to arrest the  
> thread cycle to help with short carts
> But 10” would still not have been possible other than as stated  
> beginning or end of break
>
> TrevorB
> UK Member
>
>
> From: quadlist-bounces at quadvideotapegroup.com [mailto:quadlist-bounces at quadvideotapegroup.com 
> ] On Behalf Of Thomas, Stephen D
> Sent: 01 March 2011 18:24
> To: Quad List
> Subject: Re: [QuadList] Ampex Models
>
> I remember having to explain to a director in 1985 why the 10 second  
> ID had to be at the end of a multi-spot break when played on an RCA  
> TCR-100.  This wouldn’t have been an issue with the Ampex ACR.
>
> In college in 1975, our local studio became the proud owner of our  
> first quad.  It was a VR-1000B purchased from a military surplus  
> warehouse.  I still have the original instruction manual.  I think  
> the studio lights dimmed a little when the thing was first fired up  
> in the morning.  Many months were spent replacing tubes, obtaining  
> heads and adjusting tension before an acceptable monochrome picture  
> was achieved.  It was quite an education for this student (who grew  
> up on 1” helical and then ¾” U-matic VTRs) to learn about head  
> guides, tip penetration, Intersync and proc amps.
>
> Although I haven’t been physically close to a quad since my current  
> station gave away our last VR-2000 about 15 years ago, I have a  
> great respect for all who worked on them and kept them running for  
> the benefit of future generations.   Thank you, group members, who  
> keep history alive.
>
> STEVE THOMAS
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> "If your grammar is incorrect, then you’re in need of help"
> From: quadlist-bounces at quadvideotapegroup.com [mailto:quadlist-bounces at quadvideotapegroup.com 
> ] On Behalf Of David Crosthwait
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:40 PM
> To: garyada at ix.netcom.com; Quad List
> Subject: Re: [QuadList] Ampex Models
>
> In my opinion, there is nothing quite impressive than watching a  
> station break with back-to-back 10 second promos being played on A,  
> then B playing while A ejects, threads up, and almost immediately  
> plays A again when B is done, etc. This theoretically can occur to a  
> carousel full (24) of 10 second spots if the ACR is told to do so.  
> Of course, in this mode, the spots have to be rewound or cued up  
> later, but that's not a problem. It is a flawless transition from  
> deck A to B and back to A again etc.
>
>
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