[QuadList] Question of the week-RCA AE 6000 editor/TEP
Guy Spiller
quadruplex at verizon.net
Tue Mar 8 08:05:30 CST 2011
Here is a TEP.RCA TEP
On 3/7/2011 5:50 PM, Chill315 at aol.com wrote:
> This is not the TEP. That had thumb wheels only.
> This is actually a programmer that was made by ECCO for RCA. It
> consisted of a number of parts.
> The top display was an auxiliary display panel.
> The Unit Programmer is the middle unit that is a couple of rack units.
> The bottom was a transport control panel.
> It was possibly a system that was first used on Laugh In. Can someone
> confirm that?
> Chris Hill
> In a message dated 3/7/2011 5:31:14 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> david at dcvideo.com writes:
>
>
>
> Hello Trevor,
>
> Thanks for the insight and the confirmation of similar problems
> with the TR 600's. At least I can say now "It wasn't just me".
>
> In regard to the TEP, here are two shots (for those who have no
> idea what we are talking about):
>
>
> The TEP actually worked pretty well with the TR-70's. However, it
> was a 10 second pre-roll on the record VTR and five seconds on the
> source. Edit 2 and 3 at NBC Burbank had TEPs.
>
> David
> www.dcvideo.com <http://www.dcvideo.com/>
>
>
>
> On Mar 7, 2011, at 9:08 AM, Trevor Brown wrote:
>
>> Ted thanks for the heavy weight credit
>> We had one three machine edit suite with equipped with TR600's
>> If the crew leader had asked, do you want to go and try and get
>> the TR600's to lock up
>> or go see the nurse she needs to stick pins in someone's eyes I
>> might have opted for the nurse
>> Like a lot of things the AE 600 was a good idea with poor
>> implementation
>> It used an 8080 micro (big step up from RCA's TEP is anyone
>> remembers it "Tape Editing Programmer")
>> Machines had to be pulled into sync, but unlike previous systems
>> that used TSO to speed up or slow down the capstan
>> and create major servo disturbances
>> The AE 600 reprogrammed a counter chain in the capstan servo
>> This was I think 4.3. 4 in pixlock and either 4.4.4 or 3.4.3 to
>> speed the tape up or slow it down (cannot remember the original
>> numbers or what they were counting)
>> So the lock to station sync slipped one way or the other without
>> major servo disturbances, and so station lock was a quick
>> recovery process after time pulling the time codes into the
>> correct sync
>> It was a poor lockup system and frequently failed
>> Worst was the non standard logic to drive it, it was complex with
>> a mix needing the third machine to stagger start
>> Numerous keystrokes and only an external event to drive the
>> mixer, so if the preview was OK you had to remember to reset the
>> mixer or it would toggle the wrong way on the print
>> Add to that a ¼ tape deck (again external event fired) to lift
>> audio and mix it across the edit which again needed re cueing
>> after a preview
>> and the operating alone could make grown men cry, before machine
>> lock up problems.
>> Easy to look at the director and ask is that what you wanted, it
>> was so long ago when you explained I have forgotten
>> and if you did like the P/V can I repeat it, I never smiled like
>> the guys in the picture
>> Trevor B
>> UK Member
>> *From:*quadlist-bounces at quadvideotapegroup.com
>> <mailto:quadlist-bounces at quadvideotapegroup.com>[mailto:quadlist-bounces at quadvideotapegroup.com]*On
>> Behalf Of*Ted Langdell
>> *Sent:*07 March 2011 15:54
>> *To:*Quad List
>> *Subject:*Re: [QuadList] Question of the week-RCA AE 6000 editor
>> Here's a shot of what looks very much like a version of the
>> AE-6000 in an RCA trade show booth:
>> http://www.oldradio.com/archives/hardware/TV/rca-tr600.jpg
>> Perhaps someone on the list remembers this particular booth?
>> Or the people in that shot or this one:
>> http://www.oldradio.com/archives/hardware/TV/rca-tr600(nab77).jpg
>> <http://www.oldradio.com/archives/hardware/TV/rca-tr600%28nab77%29.jpg>
>> The guy in the blue suit and glasses could be the person sitting
>> in the director's chair at the editor console.
>> Ted
>> On Mar 7, 2011, at 7:36 AM, David Crosthwait wrote:
>>
>>
>> The answer is the
>> RCA AE 6000 "Automatic Computerized Editing" devise.
>> /"A new sophisticated editing system providing optimum simplicity
>> and efficiency to enhance creative expression"./(I've had
>> some/"creative expressions"/when editing with TR-600A's which
>> cannot be printed here).
>> <RCA AE 6000 bro1x.jpeg><RCA AE 6000 bro2x.jpeg><RCA AE 6000
>> bro3x.jpeg><RCA AE 6000 keyboard1.jpg><RCA AE 6000
>> screen1.jpg><RCA AE 6000x1.jpg><RCA AE 6000 bro4x.jpg>
>> I do not know if this product ever came out, but certainly from
>> what I can tell by pulling brochures from the DC Video file
>> cabinet is that I picked up this printed material in 1978 or so
>> and it appeared to be a real product. But I never heard of any
>> implementation. Perhaps the heavy weights here on the list i.e.
>> Gary Adams, John Turner, Don Norwood, Chris Hill, Trevor Brown
>> and others who were associated with RCA gear (perhaps the
>> recipient of a sales pitch or two) could elaborate. If 1978 is an
>> accurate time period for this product to be marketed, then I
>> think we have to keep in mind what the competition was then i.e.
>> Ampex ACE, CMX 340, ISC, Mach 1, and perhaps some others that
>> I've failed to mention. If one looks at the CRT display here,
>> it's a bit convoluted compared to the industry standard at the
>> time (in my opinion), that being the CMX 340. So perhaps the RCA
>> AE 6000 was a little too late to come to market.
>> I once worked with a woman who had just come from a religious
>> network editing facility who had four TR-600A's tied to (I think)
>> a CMX edit system, and she swore by them.
>> There were four 600As tied to a CMX 340 (no AE-6000) in edit five
>> at NBC Burbank, and those machines would move tape very fast,
>> even dual edit record under CMX control. However, they were not
>> very reliable in other aspects. That edit room had been
>> originally projected to have four AVR-3's, but an "upper level
>> decision" placed the 600A's in that project instead.
>> One last note: The brochure mentions that this editor has a
>> "switcher control system designed to interface with any 1600
>> series Grass Valley E-MEM equipped switcher" (did not scan that
>> page yet but can if someone wants to see it). I can't recall RCA
>> ever mentioning another major manufacturer in a brochure,
>> although I could be dead wrong. Perhaps this was a no brainer as
>> RCA was (?) totally out of the switcher business by then.
>> David Crosthwait
>> DC Video
>> 2" quad transfers
>> <http://www.dcvideo.com/obsolete-video-formats/2-inch-quad.html> and
>> more...
>> <http://www.dcvideo.com/obsolete-video-formats/2-inch-ampex-vr-660.html>
>> www.dcvideo.com <http://www.dcvideo.com/>
>> Not seen this before, but I'd say it's an RCA multi-machine edit
>> controller circa 1983-86.
>> Perhaps a product that didn't make it into any facilities before
>> the door was shut and Nipper's doghouse closed.
>> Ted
>>
>> Looks like a "super-duper" CMX type editing device for the TR-600
>> or above RCA quads. BIG floppy drives to hold edit info (reminds
>> me of the 4100 Chyron's). Buttons and panels very similiar to the
>> TR-600 edit system at Olympic Broadcasting Studio in Chicago mid
>> to late 70's. Machines had come from Montreal Olympics, no 2
>> quite alike, what complete DOGS. Thankfully the truck had HS-100!
>>
>> Pat
>> Good stumper.
>> It looks like it was done by either CDL or Telemation.
>> The 5 inch disc drives give it a time frame of the 70's or early
>> 80's.
>> It has to be after the original CMX as the unit has some features
>> that were enhancements.
>> Have no idea other than that.
>> Chris Hill
>> _________________
>> On Mar 4, 2011, at 9:33 AM, Trevor Brown wrote:
>>
>>
>> Looks like an RCA AE600 edit panel
>> You can clearly see the gold key as in 66 gold key 6 (Change Pal
>> Phase)
>> There should be a Blue key too (edit replay)
>> Picture is a little burnt out to identify
>>
>> Don't remember the 5 1/4 discs or the comments key board
>>
>> TrevorB
>> UK member
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:quadlist-bounces at quadvideotapegroup.com
>> <mailto:quadlist-bounces at quadvideotapegroup.com>
>> [mailto:quadlist-bounces at quadvideotapegroup.com] On Behalf Of David
>> Crosthwait
>> Sent: 04 March 2011 15:59
>> To: Quad List
>> Subject: Re: [QuadList] Question of the week
>>
>> Here is a photo from the file cabinet.
>> The questions for the contest are:
>> What is it?
>> What is the model number?
>> Did anyone ever see one in action other than on the showroom floor?
>> Was it a product that was "Dead On Arrival"?
>>
>> Other documentation will be posted about what this is (or was
>> supposed to
>> be) once the questions have been answered.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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