[QuadList] QuadList Digest, Vol 33, Issue 126

Thu Mar 24 13:46:35 CDT 2011

In 1959, AT&T did not have the capability of transmitting full  
bandwidth (20KHz) audio across the country.  Their audio bandwidth was  
limited to only 5KHz, and in fact would a separate path from the  
video.  So the recording had to be made at the studio in Burbank, and  
not New York, judging by the
high audio quality.

        I add:

    This audio system was in place until 1977!
    BTW, the 5KHz audio was pretty good.  Though band-limited, there was  
not a lot of noise present.  True, it wasn't high fidelity as we know  
it, but you'd be surprised at how good it sounded.  I'm pretty certain  
now that, based on what I know, the recording was made in New York or  
somewhere along the network line.

            Dennis Degan, Video Editor-Consultant-Knowledge Bank
                          NBC Today Show, New York

Back in the 60's and early 70's, living in Cleveland, Ohio, I was working in 
television, and when I was at home I was frequently able to pick up network 
affiliates in Toledo, OH and nearby Akron, Ohio as well. Every so often the 
network audio on the ABC and CBS stations in Toledo and/or Akron would sound 
noticeably cleaner and "higher-fi" than the regular 5Khz audio. To prove I 
wasn't dreaming this I had a couple friends verify that they could hear the 
difference at their homes as well. This would come and go, but never seemed to 
happen in Cleveland. At the time we didn't know exactly how much more response 
we were hearing above the usual 5khz.

I contacted CBS in NY about this and was told by an engineer at CBS network that 
the network audio actually was only cut back to 7.5khz when it left New 
York, but was then further reduced to 5khz along the way (he said the cut to 
7.5khz was done purposely to eliminate noise in the line). 

Apparently from time to time AT&T would reroute the network audio feeding 
certain cities into higher quality phone lines when they were doing maintenance. 
Since I'm sure few other people noticed the difference, most stations didn't ask 
about it (or didn't want to pay more). What it showed me though was that there 
is a major difference in the sound of 5khz vs. 7.5khz especially as it relates 
to music going down the line. Anyone else ever experience this?

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  1. Re: Jan. 21, 1959 Kraft Music Hall--In Color on N-B-C
      (Dennis Degan)
  2. Re: Jan. 21, 1959 Kraft Music Hall--In Color on N-B-C (Tony Quinn)
  3. Re: Jan. 21, 1959 Kraft Music Hall--In Color on N-B-C
      (David Crosthwait)
  4. Re: Mid Week Quiz (Gary Adams)
  5. Re: Mid Week Quiz (David Crosthwait)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 12:36:22 -0400
From: Dennis Degan <DennyD1 at verizon.net>
To: sgw1009 at earthlink.net, Quad List <quadlist at quadvideotapegroup.com>
Subject: Re: [QuadList] Jan. 21, 1959 Kraft Music Hall--In Color on
    N-B-C
Message-ID: <CE78BCC4-4F6A-496E-B986-8DE194009EC4 at verizon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes

        On Mar 24, 2011, at 11:57 AM, sgw1009 wrote:

> In 1959, AT&T did not have the capability of transmitting full  
bandwidth (20KHz) audio across the country.  Their audio bandwidth was  
limited to only 5KHz, and in fact would a separate path from the  
video.  So the recording had to be made at the studio in Burbank, and  
not New York, judging by the
high audio quality.

        I add:

    This audio system was in place until 1977!
    BTW, the 5KHz audio was pretty good.  Though band-limited, there was  
not a lot of noise present.  True, it wasn't high fidelity as we know  
it, but you'd be surprised at how good it sounded.  I'm pretty certain  
now that, based on what I know, the recording was made in New York or  
somewhere along the network line.

            Dennis Degan, Video Editor-Consultant-Knowledge Bank
                          NBC Today Show, New York

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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 16:46:59 +0000
From: Tony Quinn <tony at tqvideo.co.uk>
To: quadlist at quadvideotapegroup.com
Subject: Re: [QuadList] Jan. 21, 1959 Kraft Music Hall--In Color on
    N-B-C
Message-ID: <qk$MfFgDW3iNFwoN at tqvideo.co.uk>
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In message <CE78BCC4-4F6A-496E-B986-8DE194009EC4 at verizon.net>, Dennis 
Degan <DennyD1 at verizon.net> writes
>
>              On Mar 24, 2011, at 11:57 AM, sgw1009 wrote:
>
>> In 1959, AT&T did not have the capability of transmitting full
>bandwidth (20KHz) audio across the country.  Their audio bandwidth was 
>limited to only 5KHz, and in fact would a separate path from the video. 
>So the recording had to be made at the studio in Burbank, and not New 
>York, judging by the
>high audio quality.
>
>              I add:
>
>      This audio system was in place until 1977!
>      BTW, the 5KHz audio was pretty good.  Though band-limited, there 
>was  not a lot of noise present.  True, it wasn't high fidelity as we 
>know  it, but you'd be surprised at how good it sounded.  I'm pretty 
>certain  now that, based on what I know, the recording was made in New 
>York or  somewhere along the network line.

I'm not familiar with your US network distribution system, but it's 
obvious that with the *RIGHT* male voice a well equalised 5 kc/s circuit 
(and the right people) could produce a very acceptable outcome.

I may be an engineer, but I don't always need metering to tell me good 
from bad!
-- 
If one person has delusions, we call them psychotic. If, however, 1.5 billion
people have delusions we must apparently call them a religious group, and
respect their delusionary state.

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 09:56:44 -0700
From: David Crosthwait <david at dcvideo.com>
To: Quad List <quadlist at quadvideotapegroup.com>
Subject: Re: [QuadList] Jan. 21, 1959 Kraft Music Hall--In Color on
    N-B-C
Message-ID: <C815ECE0-4618-4A21-B60C-8F3C73F8B7F4 at dcvideo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I will talk to Bill later on today about this. I'll have an answer perhaps by 
sunset.

David Crosthwait
DC Video
Archived Media Transfer and Re-mastering Services

177 West Magnolia Blvd.
Burbank, CA. 91502
818-563-1073
818-563-1177 (fax)
818-285-9942 (cell)

DAVID at DCVIDEO.COM
WWW.DCVIDEO.COM

On Mar 24, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Dennis Degan wrote:

> 
>         On Mar 24, 2011, at 11:57 AM, sgw1009 wrote:
> 
> > In 1959, AT&T did not have the capability of transmitting full bandwidth 
>(20KHz) audio across the country.  Their audio bandwidth was limited to only 
>5KHz, and in fact would a separate path from the video.  So the recording had to 
>be made at the studio in Burbank, and not New York, judging by the
> high audio quality.
> 
>         I add:
> 
>     This audio system was in place until 1977!
>     BTW, the 5KHz audio was pretty good.  Though band-limited, there was not a 
>lot of noise present.  True, it wasn't high fidelity as we know it, but you'd be 
>surprised at how good it sounded.  I'm pretty certain now that, based on what I 
>know, the recording was made in New York or somewhere along the network line.
> 
>             Dennis Degan, Video Editor-Consultant-Knowledge Bank
>                           NBC Today Show, New York
> 
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Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:23:28 -0400
From: "Gary Adams" <garyada at ix.netcom.com>
To: "'pat mcgowan'" <pmcgowan at ncpvideo.com>,    "'Quad List'"
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Subject: Re: [QuadList] Mid Week Quiz
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I'm pretty sure I worked on those VTRs and TCR in the 70s.  Were you there 
then?  Gary 

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Subject: Re: [QuadList] Mid Week Quiz

Had this effects panel as part of TS-40 Production Control switcher at then KVRL 
TV 26 Houston studios at 3935 Westheimer Rd.  Building is long gone.
Entire station RCA turnkey from the lav mics to the TTU-60 transmitter and 
antenna.
TK-44 cams, TK-27 film chains, TR-60 vtrs. TS-55 MCR switcher. TS-40 PCR 
switcher with BC-8 audio board. Later a TCR-100 and more TK-44's.

Pic of the vtr lineup is attached

Pat

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Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:08:14 -0500
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Subject: Re: [QuadList] Mid Week Quizz
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I confirm as I had one in Vegas in early 68.  Don't know how much was true or 
just sales hype, but we were told that the TE-60 was developed for Jackie 
Gleason as he was requesting some film type transitions.  We were told that the 
only other one at the time was in the Gleason studio in Miami and FWIW all our 
TDs hated the combo of the TS-40 and TE-60.

Bill Spencer

RF Engineering Supervisor

NorthStar Studios, Inc.

3201 Dickerson Pike

Nashville, TN 37207

Phone 615.650.6000 ext. 6610

Cell 615.445.5616

Fax 615.650.6027

email bill.spencer at northstarstudios.tv

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Did some research.

The real answer is that it is a Effects Control Panel for the TE-60B Special 
Effect generator.  The number for the panel is MI-556574-A1.  

Above information is from the RCA 1967 Television Terminal Equipment catalog.

I never knew that keeping these old catalogs would be of any help.

Chris Hill

WA8IGN

In a message dated 3/24/2011 11:18:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
david at dcvideo.com writes:

    OK, I know I made this too simple this time.

    Ted is a winner by naming it as "RCA wipe generator", and Don wins the bonus 
with TE-60B.

    Harder material next quiz!

    David Crosthwait

    DC Video

    Archived Media Transfer and Re-mastering Services

    177 West Magnolia Blvd.

    Burbank, CA. 91502

    818-563-1073

    818-563-1177 (fax)

    818-285-9942 (cell)

    DAVID at DCVIDEO.COM

    WWW.DCVIDEO.COM <http://www.dcvideo.com/> 

    On Mar 23, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Don Norwood wrote:

    RCA TE-60B SEG

    Don Norwood
    Digitrak Communications, Inc.
    www.digitrakcom.com <http://www.digitrakcom.com/> 

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        Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 8:56 PM

        Subject: Re: [QuadList] Mid Week Quizz

        What is this is quad era related thing? Name the manufacturer and (for 
bonus points) the model #. 

        Good luck in the contest!

        David Crosthwait

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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:15:52 -0700
From: David Crosthwait <david at dcvideo.com>
To: pat mcgowan <pmcgowan at ncpvideo.com>,    Quad List
    <quadlist at quadvideotapegroup.com>
Subject: Re: [QuadList] Mid Week Quiz
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Pat,

I have visited that station on the Southwest Freeway. Early on, the transmitter 
was on top of a building in downtown Houston, later moving out to Missouri City. 
Got a nice tour from the CE at the time (1997?).

David
www.dcvideo.com

On Mar 24, 2011, at 9:35 AM, Pat McGowan wrote:

> Had this effects panel as part of TS-40 Production Control switcher at then 
>KVRL TV 26 Houston studios at 3935 Westheimer Rd.  Building is long gone.
> Entire station RCA turnkey from the lav mics to the TTU-60 transmitter and 
>antenna.
> TK-44 cams, TK-27 film chains, TR-60 vtrs. TS-55 MCR switcher. TS-40 PCR 
>switcher with BC-8 audio board. Later a TCR-100 and more TK-44's.
> 
> Pic of the vtr lineup is attached
> 
> Pat
> 
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 11:08:14 -0500
> From: <bill.spencer at northstarstudios.tv>
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> Subject: Re: [QuadList] Mid Week Quizz
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> 
> I confirm as I had one in Vegas in early 68.  Don't know how much was
> true or just sales hype, but we were told that the TE-60 was developed
> for Jackie Gleason as he was requesting some film type transitions.  We
> were told that the only other one at the time was in the Gleason studio
> in Miami and FWIW all our TDs hated the combo of the TS-40 and TE-60.
> 
> 
> 
> Bill Spencer
> 
> RF Engineering Supervisor
> 
> NorthStar Studios, Inc.
> 
> 3201 Dickerson Pike
> 
> Nashville, TN 37207
> 
> 
> 
> Phone 615.650.6000 ext. 6610
> 
> Cell 615.445.5616
> 
> Fax 615.650.6027
> 
> email bill.spencer at northstarstudios.tv
> 
> 
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> Chill315 at aol.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2011 11:01 AM
> To: quadlist at quadvideotapegroup.com
> Subject: Re: [QuadList] Mid Week Quizz
> 
> 
> 
> Did some research.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The real answer is that it is a Effects Control Panel for the TE-60B
> Special Effect generator.  The number for the panel is MI-556574-A1.  
> 
> 
> 
> Above information is from the RCA 1967 Television Terminal Equipment
> catalog.
> 
> 
> 
> I never knew that keeping these old catalogs would be of any help.
> 
> 
> 
> Chris Hill
> 
> WA8IGN
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 3/24/2011 11:18:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> david at dcvideo.com writes:
> 
>     
> 
>     OK, I know I made this too simple this time.
> 
>     
> 
>     Ted is a winner by naming it as "RCA wipe generator", and Don
> wins the bonus with TE-60B.
> 
>     
> 
>     
> 
>     
> 
>     
> 
>     Harder material next quiz!
> 
>     
> 
>     
> 
>     
> 
>     David Crosthwait
> 
>     DC Video
> 
>     Archived Media Transfer and Re-mastering Services
> 
>     
> 
>     177 West Magnolia Blvd.
> 
>     Burbank, CA. 91502
> 
>     818-563-1073
> 
>     818-563-1177 (fax)
> 
>     818-285-9942 (cell)
> 
>     
> 
>     DAVID at DCVIDEO.COM
> 
>     WWW.DCVIDEO.COM <http://www.dcvideo.com/> 
> 
>     
> 
>     
> 
>     
> 
>     
> 
>     
> 
>     On Mar 23, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Don Norwood wrote:
> 
>     
>     
>     
> 
>     RCA TE-60B SEG
> 
>     
> 
>     Don Norwood
>     Digitrak Communications, Inc.
>     www.digitrakcom.com <http://www.digitrakcom.com/> 
> 
>         ----- Original Message -----
> 
>         From: David Crosthwait <mailto:david at dcvideo.com> 
> 
>         To: Quad List <mailto:quadlist at quadvideotapegroup.com> 
> 
>         Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 8:56 PM
> 
>         Subject: Re: [QuadList] Mid Week Quizz
> 
>         
> 
>         What is this is quad era related thing? Name the
> manufacturer and (for bonus points) the model #. 
> 
>         
> 
>         
> 
>         
> 
>         
> 
>         
> 
>         
> 
>         Good luck in the contest!
> 
>         
> 
>         David Crosthwait
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