[QuadList] Another Jeporady Question-Quads not made by AmpexorRCA

Mon Mar 21 16:05:47 CDT 2011

So who made this one?  It has to be from the Soviet Union based upon  your 
comment.

Chris Hill

In a message dated 3/21/2011 1:24:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
david at dcvideo.com writes:

Bet Ampex got no money from this design. 

Above: Non-free world VTR

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On Mar 21, 2011, at 10:13 AM, Bill Carpenter wrote:

Hi Folks,

The quad patent package was well  controlled and also applied to helicals 
and continued through the mid  80's to the best of my knowledge. We made 
money on everybody that made  a Quad and later a helical video recorder in the 
free world. 
I  have seen the product shipment reports for most manufacturers. 
The  Ginsberg patent related to the FM recording system and was the basis  
of the package.

Bye for now, Bill & Ginger  (whoof...whoof)

--- On Mon, 3/21/11, Don Norwood <_dwnorwood at embarqmail.com_ 
(mailto:dwnorwood at embarqmail.com) >  wrote:

From:  Don Norwood <_dwnorwood at embarqmail.com_ 
(mailto:dwnorwood at embarqmail.com) >
Subject:  Re: [QuadList] Another Jeporady Question-Quads not made by  
AmpexorRCA
To: "Quad List" <_quadlist at quadvideotapegroup.com_ 
(mailto:quadlist at quadvideotapegroup.com) >
Date:  Monday, March 21, 2011, 9:19 AM

Hi Ted:

By the time Merlin got thru with the machine, it had an Ampex  headwheel, 
Ampex audio heads and an Ampex pinch roller.   Whether those were part of the 
original Shibaden design I do not  know.  Ken Zin can probably tell us.

In the "fine print" of the question Chris originally asked, he  did say 
only original manufacturers that did not rely on the major  parts of other 
manufacturers.  Some of these machines, like the  Visual/Allen, would not exist 
without the "big guy's" parts.   On the other hand, machines like the Bosch 
are  clearly original.  I think the intention was  to explore how many 
companies actually made quads from top to  bottom.  Otherwise, I could be a 
"manufacturer" since I've  built and sold machines made out of a variety of 
parts. 

Don 

----- Original Message ----- 
From:  _Ted Langdell_ (x-msg://34/mc/compose?to=ted@quadvideotapegroup.com) 

To: _Ted Langdell_ (x-msg://34/mc/compose?to=ted@quadvideotapegroup.com)  
Cc: _Quad List_ (x-msg://34/mc/compose?to=quadlist@quadvideotapegroup.com)  

Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011  11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [QuadList]  Another Jeporady Question-Quads not made by 
AmpexorRCA

Hi, Bill, 

Sorry if the below sound a little sharp in reply...  Not much sleep. Too 
much going on.  

The Shibaden catalog pictures and text would be of great  interest.  If you 
find it again, please try to scan and  post.

Anyone else have some Shibaden info?

Ted

On Mar 21, 2011, at 7:49 AM, Ted Langdell wrote:

The Shibaden SV-7000 Quad used in the Merlin  duplicating system doesn't 
look like any RCA I've  seen... 

See the deck and some historic pictures at 
_http://www.labguysworld.com/Merlin_ME68.htm_ (http://www.labguysworld.com/Merlin_ME68.htm) 

Don Norwood posted two different brochures for the system  on June 3, 2009 
(Re: [QuadList] Fwd:  Merlinized Shibaden for Vidtronics' dub  
system(wasToshiba))

Ted

On Mar 21, 2011, at 7:13 AM, <_bill.spencer at northstarstudios.tv_ 
(x-msg://34/mc/compose?to=bill.spencer@northstarstudios.tv) >  
<_bill.spencer at northstarstudios.tv_ (x-msg://34/mc/compose?to=bill.spencer@northstarstudios.tv) >  
wrote:

I  used to have a Shibaden catalog from the 70s that showed their  quads 
and they looked to be RCA clones if not rebadged  RCA.

Bill  Spencer
NorthStar  Studios, Inc.
3201  Dickerson Pike
Nashville,  TN 37207
(615)  650-6610
CP  (615) 445-5616

From: _quadlist-bounces at quadvideotapegroup.com_ 
(x-msg://34/mc/compose?to=quadlist-bounces@quadvideotapegroup.com)   
[_mailto:quadlist-bounces at quadvideotapegroup.com_ 
(x-msg://34/mc/compose?to=quadlist-bounces@quadvideotapegroup.com) ] On  Behalf Of Ted  Langdell
Sent: Monday,  March 21, 2011 8:28 AM
To: Quad  List
Subject: Re:  [QuadList] Another Jeporady Question-Quads not made by Ampex  
orRCA

2"  Quads:

Bosch              (Germany)

Visual/Allen    (Bosch  transport and heads from Germany w/Visual/Allen 
Electronics  from US)

Shibaden                     (Japan)

TAMCO                      (Japanese  partnership btw. Ampex and Toshiba 
making Ampex designed  machines in Japan)

1"  Quad:

Asaka (Japan) Company also  known as Asaka/ShibaSoku

Sony,  NHK made 2" Quad prototypes in Japan.

I  suspect there are more to be found.  The hunt continues!  (We need some 
Japanese QuadList members!)

Ted

On  Mar 21, 2011, at 5:56 AM, _Chill315 at aol.com_ 
(x-msg://34/mc/compose?to=Chill315@aol.com)  wrote:

We  all know the Ampex and RCA machines.  A number of us have  seen other 
machines in use.  So the question of the day  is.

What  other manufactures built quad  machine? 

The  answer can not be a refurbished machine that was built on  someone 
else's platform.  I know of two of the  manufactures.  I do not know a third 
one but am  aware of the machine.  There may be  more.

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