<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Ted Writes:<div><br></div><div><blockquote type="cite">"Heterodyne was the method used by RCA in 1958 to record and recover color on modified Ampex VR-1000 Quads, and in RCA's early TRT series Quad recorders."</blockquote><div><br></div>Not true in regard to record. Heterodyne was never used as a method to record 2" first generation quad color on the RCA TRT's or Ampex VR's as far as I recall. Direct color recording was employed. In the playback electronics, before direct color recovery was possible in the 60's, a kludge system was used to convert the demodulated color to a viewable picture by a heterodyne process. Thus, a color "dub" at that time simply recorded this un-phased signal to the next copy, therefore necessitating the heterodyne playback process to make color on that dub viewable. </div><div><br></div><div>If you look closely at this photo, you will see NBC Burbank Ampex decks (with RCA labs non-standard direct color modulators) combined with RCA labs demodulators and heterodyne color processors for color playback:</div><div><br></div><div><img height="346" width="640" apple-width="yes" apple-height="yes" id="45661325-8136-48d1-b143-d04aa8b1fbdc" src="cid:086509ED-C09B-40FB-B8A5-D9C49C451E10"></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Here is an example of a 1958 direct color recording on a TRT-1 that was played back in 1958 for air as heterodyne, but was recovered a few years ago at DC Video as direct color:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUTKl_z9474">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUTKl_z9474</a></div><div><br></div><div>Here is an example of a 1959 heterodyne color dub of a direct color master, recovered and converted back to direct color last year at DC Video (Note that this project was the subject of a presentation of "The Reel Thing" at the AMIA Conference in Seattle, December 2012. Chris Lewis, one of Jerry Lewis's sons, co-presented this 2" quad color recovery with me):</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKGuJvshnQg">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKGuJvshnQg</a></div><div><br></div><div>Note that Bosch-Fenrseh had two portable 1" segmented (son of quad) helical machines for field recordings in the mid 70's that were in use way into the 80's, deep into the type C timeline. This machine was a product way before the Ampex and Sony 1" portable field recorders. Additionally, It was not unusual to dub the Bosch material to 2" in a quad only edit bay.</div><div><br></div><div>And there you have it!</div><div><br></div><div><div><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; widows: 2; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; widows: 2; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; widows: 2; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; widows: 2; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; "><div style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Regards,<br><br>David Crosthwait (Quad List Member using AVR-1, AVR-2, and AVR-3 third generation machines daily)<br>DC Video<br>Videotape transfers and more!<br><br><font class="Apple-style-span" size="2">3071 North Lima St.<br>Burbank, CA. 91504<br>818-563-1073<br>818-563-1177 (fax)<br>818-285-9942 (cell)<br><br><a href="mailto:david@dcvideo.com">david@dcvideo.com</a><br>www.dcvideo.com<br><br>Follow DC Video on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/dcvideo<br>Follow DC Video on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/user/dcvideoonline<br></font><br></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></span></div></div></div></div></div>
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<br><div><div>On Jun 15, 2013, at 5:23 PM, Ted Langdell wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><br><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1" color="#000000">A remark on another list a week or so ago sent me looking up some of the information we've mentioned here before, but perhaps not with as much detail.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1" color="#000000">1" Quad? Yes! Think 2" Quad, but somewhat miniaturized.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1" color="#000000">This format was developed by ASACA in Japan in 1974 with the AVS-3200 "stationary" machine.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1" color="#000000"> </font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1" color="#000000">The ASACA AVS-3200 suitcase style portables were introduced in 1975, with production machines appearing in 1977. A companion 3-tube prism-type color camera was also introduced in 1975.</font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1" color="#000000"><br></font></div><div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" size="1" color="#000000">The format used a heterodyne modulation scheme, but I haven't been able to find out more about just how it was used. </font></div><div><br></div></div><blockquote class="webkit-indent-blockquote" style="margin: 0 0 0 40px; border: none; padding: 0px;"><div><div>Heterodyne was the method used by RCA in 1958 to record and recover color on modified Ampex VR-1000 Quads, and in RCA's early TRT series Quad recorders.</div></div></blockquote><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">The <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=TOMOmmrvwCcC&pg=PA157&lpg=PA157&dq=ASACA+AVS-3200+portable&source=bl&ots=WvAzK7s4xt&sig=bHnv-6Rysw0bOviDx0CTn4FQ22Q&hl=en&sa=X&ei=JG-zUZvDOuThiAL-6oEY&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=ASACA%20AVS-3200%20portable&f=false">AVS-3200 package</a> had a separate playback adapter to demodulate which could be run through the ATC-300 TBC. </font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">The AVS 3300-B studio machine was also developed and released in 1977.</font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">The AVS-3200 portables were <span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 2px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 2px; ">52.6cm x 31.5cm x 14cm / 20.7in x 12.4in x 5.5in and weighed 16Kg / 35.2lb.</span></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Ampex's VR-3000 2" Quad portable was 20 pounds heavier (55lb / 24.9Kg) with the backpack frame and slightly larger: 24in x 14in x 8in / 60.96cm x 35.56cm x 13.97cm.</font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Both systems needed power supplies, either AC or battery and external processing added to size and weight.</font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">The ASACA 3300B 1" Quad Studio machines (Scroll way down) were way smaller than US and European made 2" Quads of the time, although the Shibaden SV-7000 Quad was one of the smallest that appears to have had full record/play capabilities. (RCA's TR-5 and TR-10 not withstanding.)</font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">In 1975, Hitachi introduced a 2" Quad portable. According to the SMPTE Progress Committee Report for 1975 (SMPTE Journal, May 1976, page 312), this machine was 49 cm (19.3 in) wide, 19cm(7.5 in) high and 34cm(13.4 in) deep.</font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">The Progress Report said the machine produced pictures comparable to studio units when used with a playback adapter and concurrently developed digital time base corrector.</font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">The slow demise of Quadruplex recording for broadcast was marked by the 1976 introduction of the Ampex VPR-1 with Auto Scan Tracking and Sony's BVH-1000.</font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">When broadcasters generally they'd prefer a single format, Sony, Ampex and SMPTE members worked over a two year period to create a new format from the Ampex and Sony formats into one.</font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">In 1978, new machines—Ampex VPR-2 and Sony BVH-1000C—introduced the new The SMPTE Type-C recording format.</font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Type C retrofit kits were available for Ampex VPR-1 "Type A" machines, and Sony BVH-1000 and BVH-1100 Dynamic Tracking machines.</font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Ampex's VPR-20 portable and Sony's BVH-500 (sold by RCA as its TH-50) allowed location recording, and fully broadcastable signals with outboard processing and digital TBCs.</font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Even as 1" Type-C took over the bulk of high-end network, local station and production house duties, stations in small US markets kept using Quad VTRs into the 1990's, since they could keep the machines running and avoid the expense of new machines.</font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">QuadList member Park Seward has three such examples from the Ampex VR-1200 series, retrieved from unfriendly conditions and put back into quite nice condition, still transferring tapes nearly 50 years after their series was introduced.</font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">And in the East, QuadList member Guy Spiller has restored a number of RCA TR-70 series machines:</font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">Guy posted this video Six years ago tomorrow: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4yEYYpckYw">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4yEYYpckYw</a></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000">And there you go.</font></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 5px;"><font class="Apple-style-span" color="#000000"><br></font></span></div><div>
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