[QuadList] Andy Williams (was Question about PAL-M Quad players)

[Trevor Brown]

David

 

The older tapes did not have backing problems I agree

It was the newer ones that produced the better signal to noise 

Memorex early chroma 90 was Ok then it got better and better at signal to noise and then hit the white powder

Scotch 400 was ok then they developed the better signal to noise tape the 420 and hit the same problem

 

Ok on the operators some need shooting

 

Same for editors that left the guide in auto

Or did not track the tape up when insert editing

 

It was a mine field and as you say experience steer us as we sort the problems one by one

 

Trevor Brown

 

From: quadlist-bounces at quadvideotapegroup.com [mailto:quadlist-bounces at quadvideotapegroup.com] On Behalf Of dcfwtx at aol.com
Sent: 28 August 2009 20:50
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Subject: Re: [QuadList] Andy Williams (was Question about PAL-M Quad players)

 

I never had any real problems with the Scotch 179/379 brown stock on Andy Williams LBC's using the AVR-1. And this went back to show # 1 in 1962. Each make of stock has predictable issues and our experience base automatically steers us in the preparation process. I have seen some very butchered up transfers out of another local house done in the 80's where apparently someone either wasn't watching the transfer or just was wasn't technically proficient. We know what to expect with regard to some LBC recordings from certain network facilities. It just comes with the job. 

 

I never had to bake Scotch 179/379 stock as it's binder is not conducive to stickiness in my experience. Chroma 90, later 400, 420, and Ampex stock is another issue. I do realize that everyone has had different experiences around the globe.

 

David Crosthwait

DC Video 
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-----Original Message-----
From: bill.spencer at northstarstudios.tv
To: videovault at sky.com; quadlist at quadvideotapegroup.com
Sent: Fri, Aug 28, 2009 8:29 am
Subject: Re: [QuadList] Andy Williams (was Question about PAL-M Quad players)

Having personally transferred many of the Andy Williams tapes from the 60’s on old brown 3M I will tell you that it was a challenge, but through baking and cleaning we got the powder (which is hyaluronic acid from the moisture reaction with the binder) off and made good transfers.

 

I’m still fighting some Ampex 195 that is more like chewing gum than tape!

 

Bill Spencer

RF Engineering Supervisor

NorthStar Studios, Inc.

3201 Dickerson Pike

Nashville, TN 37207

 

Phone 615.650.6000 ext. 6610

Cell 615.445.5616

Fax 615.650.6027

email bill.spencer at northstarstudios.tv

 

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From: quadlist-bounces at quadvideotapegroup.com [mailto:quadlist-bounces at quadvideotapegroup.com] On Behalf Of Trevor Brown
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 10:07 AM
To: DCFWTX at aol.com
Cc: 'Quad List'
Subject: Re: [QuadList] Andy Williams (was Question about PA L-M Quad players)

 

David

It was rumored that Andy Williams show ran into White Powder clogs (not involved only a story) and could not be recovered

I will see if I can track the source of the story down

I have never had either a Chroma 90 or 3m’s 420 that I could not recover, worst case is it came off in sections and needed a little editing

 

BBC engineers made a Christmas tape called White Powder Christmas (chroma 90) and another called Good king Memorex

Seems to have be taken of you tube, but rip scratch from Good king Memorex is still on the VT old Boys site

 

http://www.vtoldboys.com/gkm01.htm# <http://www.vtoldboys.com/gkm01.htm> 

 

Trevor Brown

 

From: DCFWTX at aol.com [mailto:DCFWTX at aol.com] 
Sent: 28 August 2009 14:01
To: videovault at sky.com
Subject: Re: [QuadList] Andy Williams (was Question about PAL-M Quad players)

 

In a message dated 8/28/2009 3:31:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, videovault at sky.com writes:

Also be interested in how old the PAL M tapes are and what stock they were recorded on old tape do suffer moisture, and of course 420 and Chroma 90 had white powder problems in the UK

Again interested to know if the USA had similar problems, was this not what killed the Andy Williams show recovery


Are you sure about this? I transferred several hundred Andy Williams shows several years ago for Andy's son Bobby. Very few of them were on Memorex Chroma 90 (a known sticky tape source), and I never encountered one that I could not fully recover. 

Just curious to know about this story.

Be st Regards,



David Crosthwait

DC Video 
Archived Media Transfer & Re-mastering Services
177 West Magnolia Blvd.
Burbank, CA. 91502
818-563-1073
818-563-1177 (fax)
818-285-9942 (cell)
DCFWTX at AOL.COM     
DAVID at DCVIDEO.COM
WWW.DCVIDEO.COM

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