[QuadList] QuadList Digest, Vol 19, Issue 53

[Trevor Brown]

We had TR70B's which relied on and edit controller called TEP
No time code back in those days or micro's it had thumb wheel switches and
counted control track
>From a tone bench mark, not reliable technology.

So often what Dennis described as Punch and Pray became the norm for editing
sporting events

If you came in on late shift to relive the early editor and he said TEPs
gone down we are fingering the footie (punch and Pray)
you wish you had phoned in sick.

All the problems Dennis described, and sound ones two
You could delay the sound so it was a vision only edit until you pushed the
blue button and then the sound edit happened after the vision edit.

But RCA would not edit sound early so the splice modules had various fixes
added the best revolved around a relay.

Soccer matches are difficult to edit for sound problems, you often need to
cut from a full blown crowd roar to a quiet part
The only way really was to lay the sound of on to audio tape and then you
could mix across the edit point.

Not easy without an edit controller

Trevor B
UK Memeber


-----Original Message-----
From: quadlist-bounces at quadvideotapegroup.com
[mailto:quadlist-bounces at quadvideotapegroup.com] On Behalf Of Dennis Degan
Sent: 28 January 2010 23:24
To: Quad List
Subject: Re: [QuadList] QuadList Digest, Vol 19, Issue 53


		On Jan 28, 2010, at 4:18 PM, Doug Bingley wrote:

 > As I mentioned in an earlier post, our older machines did not have 
Editec although they used electronic editing. The electronic editor had 
the nomenclature PP which we human editors said stood for "Push and 
Pray." The machine did not go into full edit until about 3/4 of a 
second after hitting record and play, so you had to anticipate the edit 
point.

		I state:

	The very first electronic edit I ever performed was "Punch & Pray"
in 
1974 on a TR-70b in Columbus, GA (I still have a copy of the tape).  
The delay of manual editing was maddening.  It's amazing how far we've 
come from those days.  The delay was of course a necessary circumstance 
caused by the distance between the erase head and the video heads, a 
distance of 15 video frames on Ampex VTRs and 18 frames on RCA machines 
(in NTSC).

			Dennis Degan, Video Editor-Consultant-Knowledge Bank
	  					NBC Today Show, New York


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