[QuadList] QuadList is loosing it mind--Not exactly--Bounces with AOL and...

Sun May 4 12:15:59 CDT 2014

no, my mailbox is not  full...
it  is also an effect of this quirky   listserv   software.

Ed

In a message dated 5/4/2014 9:58:53 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
ted at quadvideotapegroup.com writes:

Hi, Ed, Mitch and other folks wondering why they may have gotten  "disabled 
due to excessive bounce" notices:

When you subscribe to the QuadList, your subscription is infinite  unless:

    *   You unsubscribe yourself  
    *   I unsubscribe you (not likely)   
    *   There's a problem with your e-mail address rejecting mail from the  
QuadList.

Some reasons for rejects could be when an e-mail box is full, or for  some 
other issue.

The MailMan software used by the QuadList can see whether this is a  
temporary issue or a fatal (permanent) issue and scores the situation by  whether 
its temp or fatal, and how often the bounces happen. 

If the bounces reach a certain score, the account is disabled and you  are 
sent a notice about it.

The disable is intended to keep from having the mailing list  equivalent of 
a feedback loop continually bouncing messages between the  two servers like 
a ping-pong ball.

My QuadList admin e-mail account is also sent a notification so I can  
check on what's happening.

What happened to you overnight:

Your e-mail accounts triggered a reject, aka as a "bounce."

A "bounce" occurs when a recipient's e-mail server rejects the e-mail  sent 
from the list, and sends a reject notice to the QuadList mailman  server.

Again, the disable is intended to keep from having the mailing list  
equivalent of a feedback loop continually bouncing messages between the two  
servers like a ping-pong ball.

As the List Admin (aka List Mum), I did some checking of the list  
interface and my mailbox that receives Admin-directed notices.

The bounces appear to have begun when Ed replied from his _AOL.com_ 
(http://aol.com/)  account to Re: RCA Coffin Cam and  Friction head-

From: Ed Sharpe <_COURYHOUSE at aol.com_ (mailto:COURYHOUSE at aol.com) >
Subject: Re: RCA Coffin Cam and Friction head--  (was [QuadList] QuadList 
Digest, Vol 7... 
Date: May 3, 2014 10:02:58 PM PDT 
To: Ted Langdell <_ted at quadvideotapegroup.com_ 
(mailto:ted at quadvideotapegroup.com) >,  Mike Boland <_mboland at bolandcom.com_ 
(mailto:mboland at bolandcom.com) >, Quad List  <_quadlist at quadvideotapegroup.com_ 
(mailto:quadlist at quadvideotapegroup.com) >

That triggered  bounces or rejects a number of QuadList members with AOL 
accounts,  and a number  of Yahoo-based or managed e-mail accounts including 
_yahoo.com_ (http://yahoo.com/) , _sky.com_ (http://sky.com/)  and those 
managed for AT&T and related  companies with email addresses like 
@bellsouth,com, for example.  

Several things happened:

The bounces disabled the bouncing accounts
Disabled recipients got a message like the one that Ed passed on to the  
list, (a practice that exposes your QuadList account to the list)
The bounces triggered a message to me about the  rejects

Checking the bounce notices in my Admin e-mail box:

Yahoo's and AOL's explanations of why the QuadList was rejected appear  to 
be for the same reasons:

(DMARC) This message failed DMARC Evaluation for an AOL Domain.  For more 
information please visit 
http://postmaster-blog.aol.com/2014/04/22/aol-mail-updates-dmarc-policy-to-reject/

554_5.7.9_Message_not_accepted_for_policy_reasons.__See_http://postmaster.ya
hoo.com/errors/postmaster-28.html

https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN7253.html?impressions=true

AOL and Yahoo's recent changes are designed to prevent @AOL.com and Yahoo  
and Yahoo managed e-mail addresses from being used to send spam from other  
mail servers.

On the webpages linked to above, AOL and Yahoo both say:

For  mailing lists, also known as listservs, we recommend configuring reply 
 behavior to fill the From line with the mailing list's address rather than 
 the sender's and put the actual user / sender address into the Reply-To:  
line. Please also note that current "auto unsubscribe" logic based upon  
bounces might be too rigid until this change has been in place for a  while.

In reading the two explanations, I'm a bit confused as to whether they're  
trying to tell their e-mail users to change their behavior, or suggesting 
that  the MailList change its practice.

I'll be asking both to clarify what they mean, and if they are  
recommending that the QuadList change how the From and Reply To are filled out  by 
MailMan, working on how to do that.

In the meantime:

Please reply to the list only.

I note that Ed's reply had me, Mike Boland AND the list in the TO  line.

Perhaps replying ONLY to the list will address the problem...  particularly 
if it has to do with mail being sent from AOL accounts.

I'll keep you posted as I find out anything else.  

Ted

On May 3, 2014, at 10:23 PM, _couryhouse at aol.com_ 
(mailto:couryhouse at aol.com)  wrote:

i just   got this!?

Your membership in the mailing list QuadList has been disabled due  to
excessive bounces The last bounce received from you was  dated
04-May-2014.  You will not get any more messages from this  list until
you re-enable your membership.  You will receive 3 more  reminders like
this before your membership in the list is  deleted.

To re-enable your membership, you can simply respond to this  message
(leaving the Subject: line intact), or visit the confirmation  page at

http://mail.quadvideotapegroup.com/mailman/confirm/quadlist_quadvideotapegro
up.com/2e2fe6de0640726182d737ec20d526c3ea1f0ee5

You  can also visit your membership page at

_http://mail.quadvideotapegroup.com/mailman/options/quadlist_quadvideotapegr
oup.com/couryhouse%40aol.com_ 
(http://mail.quadvideotapegroup.com/mailman/options/quadlist_quadvideotapegroup.com/couryhouse@aol.com) 

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