[QuadList] QuadList Digest, Vol 25, Issue 4
Phillip G. Shaw
pshaw at sitestar.net
Tue Jul 13 01:15:27 CDT 2010
The NBC Quad editing of Churchill's funeral would have been a Copy Cat
strategy that should not have surprised the other networks, it had been done
before.
RCA had created a secret Flying film processing & editing Lab for Film
coverage of Elizabeth II's coronation in 1953. All the networks had planes &
film Processing plans, some in the UK & some back in NYC.. the race to Air
The plan was not known by anyone at NBC until a phone call sent a secret
crew of Film lab & Editors, along with senior producers to the Airport. The
Story was that even NBC finance was not to be trusted. production money was
borrowed
The England NBC crew did not know that film was been deliverd to the Plane &
the Proccessing & editing took place over the Atlantic.. The Edited film was
delivered & immeadiatly when to Air.
I am sure this info is known by the film groups
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> 1. Re: quads on a plane? (David C. Crosthwait)
> 2. Re: quads on a plane? (COURYHOUSE at aol.com)
> 3. Re: quads on a plane? (COURYHOUSE at aol.com)
> 4. Re: quads on a plane? (COURYHOUSE at aol.com)
> 5. Re: quads on a plane?--Yes! Over the midwest and S. Vietnam
> (Ted Langdell)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2010 18:17:30 -0700
> From: "David C. Crosthwait" <david at dcvideo.com>
> To: quadlist at quadvideotapegroup.com
> Subject: Re: [QuadList] quads on a plane?
> Message-ID: <20100707181730.6ojl9ssbtw48woos at webmail.dcvideo.com>
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> Hello Skip,
>
> I can't speak as to the "big brother" aspect of surveillance via air
> and quad machines. It certainly was possible given the other airborne
> quad machines in use in the sixties. Here are two examples:
>
> Number one:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwest_Program_on_Airborne_Television_Instruction
> And...
> http://www.chicagotelevision.com/MPATI.htm
>
> VR 1001's can be seen in a picture in the above link and also in the
> rotation on the main page at: http://www.dcvideo.com/
>
> Number two:
>
> Peter Groom (now deceased), editor at NBC NY, performed was was
> thought to be the first 2" quad splicing of a program while on board a
> converted DC 3 (?). The purpose of this effort, which involved a TR
> 22, was to beat the other two networks to air with the first lengthy
> coverage of Winston Churchill's funeral in the UK. From the first hand
> story told to me by Peter, upon the death of Winston Churchill, NBC
> commissioned a crash effort to modify a DC 3 to accommodate a TR 22,
> by removing almost all of the normal cabin interior, installing a
> specialized power source, and flying Peter (a UK native), David
> Brinkley (?), and a number of other people, to London. The plane sat
> on the runway, recording the feed. Upon the conclusion of the funeral,
> the plane departed. While in flight, Peter physically spliced the
> tape, with Brinkley doing some VO! The plane landed in NYC, the tape
> played back to a waiting microwave van, and it was fed directly to NBC
> and the net.
>
> Apparently there was spotty "live" coverage from an occasional
> satellite feed (when in position). But NBC went all out to have the
> first lengthy coverage.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/witness/january/24/newsid_2692000/2692293.stm
>
> David Crosthwait
> DC Video
> Archived Media Transfer and Re-mastering Services
> 177 West Magnolia Blvd.
> Burbank, CA. 91502
> 818-563-1073
> 818-563-1177 (fax)
> 818-285-9942 (cell)
> DCFWTX at AOL.COM
> DAVID at DCVIDEO.COM
> WWW.DCVIDEO.COM
>
>
>
> Quoting Skip Elsheimer <avgeeks at gmail.com>:
>
>> I was at a film archivist / moonshine symposium in West Virginia and
>> somebody was asking about a mythical airplane that had quad machines
>> installed on board. He said he thought it was a government owned plane
>> and
>> it would record video in remote locations.
>>
>> I said I would ask the experts..
>>
>> Skip
>> A/V Geeks LLC
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 21:10:01 EDT
> From: COURYHOUSE at aol.com
> To: quadlist at quadvideotapegroup.com
> Subject: Re: [QuadList] quads on a plane?
> Message-ID: <e2667.4433e0f.39667f69 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
>
> Let's face it. It was the ultimate Cold war Propaganda platform. Fly it
> in... radio transmitter.... TV Transmitter.... And,,, I am sure there
> were
> setups that were never really made public... perhaps laying out there in
> mothballs.... a yet to be acquired aircraft with Quads built in!
>
> Ed!
>
> In a message dated 7/7/2010 6:06:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> david at dcvideo.com writes:
>
> Hello Skip,
>
> I can't speak as to the "big brother" aspect of surveillance via air
> and quad machines. It certainly was possible given the other airborne
> quad machines in use in the sixties. Here are two examples:
>
> Number one:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwest_Program_on_Airborne_Television_Instruct
> ion
> And...
> http://www.chicagotelevision.com/MPATI.htm
>
> VR 1001's can be seen in a picture in the above link and also in the
> rotation on the main page at: http://www.dcvideo.com/
>
> Number two:
>
> Peter Groom (now deceased), editor at NBC NY, performed was was
> thought to be the first 2" quad splicing of a program while on board a
> converted DC 3 (?). The purpose of this effort, which involved a TR
> 22, was to beat the other two networks to air with the first lengthy
> coverage of Winston Churchill's funeral in the UK. From the first hand
> story told to me by Peter, upon the death of Winston Churchill, NBC
> commissioned a crash effort to modify a DC 3 to accommodate a TR 22,
> by removing almost all of the normal cabin interior, installing a
> specialized power source, and flying Peter (a UK native), David
> Brinkley (?), and a number of other people, to London. The plane sat
> on the runway, recording the feed. Upon the conclusion of the funeral,
> the plane departed. While in flight, Peter physically spliced the
> tape, with Brinkley doing some VO! The plane landed in NYC, the tape
> played back to a waiting microwave van, and it was fed directly to NBC
> and the net.
>
> Apparently there was spotty "live" coverage from an occasional
> satellite feed (when in position). But NBC went all out to have the
> first lengthy coverage.
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/witness/january/24/newsid_2692000/2692293
> .stm
>
> David Crosthwait
> DC Video
> Archived Media Transfer and Re-mastering Services
> 177 West Magnolia Blvd.
> Burbank, CA. 91502
> 818-563-1073
> 818-563-1177 (fax)
> 818-285-9942 (cell)
> DCFWTX at AOL.COM
> DAVID at DCVIDEO.COM
> WWW.DCVIDEO.COM
>
>
>
> Quoting Skip Elsheimer <avgeeks at gmail.com>:
>
>> I was at a film archivist / moonshine symposium in West Virginia and
>> somebody was asking about a mythical airplane that had quad machines
>> installed on board. He said he thought it was a government owned plane
> and
>> it would record video in remote locations.
>>
>> I said I would ask the experts..
>>
>> Skip
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed Sharpe, Archivist for SMECC
>
> See the Museum's Web Site at _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org/)
>
> We are always looking for items to add to the museum's display and ref.
> library - please advise if you have anything we can use.
>
> Coury House / SMECC
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> Glendale Az 85301 USA
>
>
>
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> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 21:15:19 EDT
> From: COURYHOUSE at aol.com
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> Subject: Re: [QuadList] quads on a plane?
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> DC> the spookier it is the more fun it is!
>
>
> As a general rule recording in electronic format for survailance was
> really consided crap. Just not enough resolution!
>
> Film was king during the cold war. Now for propaganda broadcasts. Tape
> was probably better... although... well... I guess a flying telecine
> would work!
>
>
>
> In a message dated 7/7/2010 6:06:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> david at dcvideo.com writes:
>
> I can't speak as to the "big brother" aspect of surveillance via air
> and quad machines. It certainly was possible given the other airborne
> quad machines in use in the sixties.
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ed
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 21:23:19 EDT
> From: COURYHOUSE at aol.com
> To: quadlist at quadvideotapegroup.com
> Subject: Re: [QuadList] quads on a plane?
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> In 1969 news stories began to appear in the _United Kingdom_
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom) that _Ronan O'Rahilly_
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronan_O'Rahilly) , the founder of the
> _pirate radio_
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_radio) ship based service called
> _Radio
> Caroline_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Caroline) , which at that
> time was
> not on the air, was about to launch _Caroline Television_
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caroline_Television) instead. His plans
> called for two
> aircraft, one in service and one as a relief, which would transmit
> commercial
> television programs to _Britain_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK) by
> Stratovision. Although these stories continued for some time nothing
> became of the
> project. To date no pirate radio or television service has ever operated
> by
> means of Stratovision.
>
>
> ARR! Shiver Me Orthicons Matey!
> This had such great possibilities!
> Ed#
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> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 18:27:45 -0700
> From: Ted Langdell <ted at quadvideotapegroup.com>
> To: Quad List <quadlist at quadvideotapegroup.com>
> Subject: Re: [QuadList] quads on a plane?--Yes! Over the midwest and
> S. Vietnam
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> Hi, Skip,
>
> On Jul 7, 2010, at 1:20 PM, Skip Elsheimer wrote:
>
>> I was at a film archivist / moonshine symposium in West Virginia and
>> somebody was asking about a mythical airplane that had quad machines
>> installed on board. He said he thought it was a government owned
>> plane and it would record video in remote locations.
>>
>> I said I would ask the experts..
>>
>> Skip
>> A/V Geeks LLC
>
> I know of airborne quads used for playback.
>
> Your acquaintance may be referring to the Midwest Program on Airborne
> Television Instruction (MPATI), but I turned up the use of a similar
> concept by the US Military over South Vietnam during the war. Links to
> both below.
>
> Domestic:
> MPATI flew a pair of DC-6's with what look like two Ampex VR-1001's
> and two low-power UHF transmitters above Monpelier, Indiana to
> transmit educational programs to schools. One plane was a spare to
> cover mechanical, electronic and weather problems.
>
> The project had its origins here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratovision
>
> Best photo of the Quads is here:
> http://www.meldrum.co.uk/mhp/knackers/images/mpati_small.jpg
>
> See links here for details about the system:
> http://www.ait.net/technos/tq_10/3gibson.php
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midwest_Program_on_Airborne_Television_Instruction
>
> http://www.broadcasting101.ws/mpati.htm
>
> http://www.chicagotelevision.com/MPATI.htm
>
> And here...
> http://www.meldrum.co.uk/mhp/knackers/behind.html
> where there are other Quads pictured.
>
> The MPATI project's papers are now at the University of Maryland
> Archives:
> http://www.lib.umd.edu/NPBA/papers/mpati.html
>
> Vietnam:
> The US Government turned to RCA to develop a similar capability in the
> mid-1960's.
>
> Here's the home page for a website about the project:
> http://www.afvn.tv/ProjectJenny/index.html
>
> Here's a newspaper clipping showing the installation of the RCA
> TR-22's and audio gear in a Super Constellation.
> http://www.afvn.tv/ProjectJenny/andph.jpg
>
> And a TR-22:
> http://www.afvn.tv/ProjectJenny/tr22.jpg
>
> Ted
>
> Ted Langdell
> Secretary
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